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joe is doing so bad he may come in third to drunk antisemitic times square elmo. >> good morning. what? >> i can't believe that rat on a stick only gets 23%. >> rounded down to the nearest 23%. >> can we zoom in on willie's -- >> i'm worried. this will be horrible. >> it's the 5th. we have to make it to the 30th. >> ew! you will look like that guy on "the hang over". >> zach galifianakis? i'd take that. >> patchy. very cute. like preadolescent. >> thank you. >> was we have the authors of "double down". >> they're big. >> i thought they would be too big for us. >> today is the day. >> mark halperin and national
editor and msnbc political editor john heilman. new glasses. >> just paying attention. >> oh, my john meechum's book "thomas jefferson, the art of power" is out in paperback. and in washington, white house correspondent -- thank god -- for the associated press, julie pace. good to have you. >> so you guys aren't number one with a bullet yet, but you are close. right? >> i haven't checked the amazon rating. >> you said it was "killing jesus." krauthammer, man, he's selling books. >> he's doing well. >> i went to a bookstore. elm street bookstore. doing an vent in a week or two. they said charles krauthammer is kicking it, man. for me, he's always bipartiseeno
and i can't stand you guys i'm glad he's doing well. >> conservatives sell a lot of books. >> with krauthammer it's thoughtful conservativism. a lot of books out there aren't thoughtful. this is rewarding that conservatives are coming out of their homes and going to bookstores and buying an intelligent conservative book like krauthammer's. >> are you saying conservatives are too pale owe litic for e-books -- >> what the heck? >> we're more communal. we love people. we love americans. we love walking down the street, you know, and just hugging people and petting dogs. liberals will stay in their basements eating chee tos and order on amazon.com. >> double down. >> and double down. >> living in the 21st accept. >> there are two realms conservatives dominated.
>> too bad the websites are stuck in 1847. >> conservatives dominated on hardcover books and talk radio. there are liberal successes but for whatever reasons conservatives have done a lot better in those areas. it's hard to do political books that are neutral and objective and do well. >> you guys have done it before, done it again. it's exciting. >> got a love letter to "double down" from a difficult book critic. playing the game with an insider look t at the players. the art section of the new york times. >> really? she's tough. >> wow, guys. why do you look so grumpy. >> just gratified. >> we have a lot to get to. >> with head shots. >> that's exciting. >> look at this. when they review my books it's so ugly they not only insult me, they insult everybody within a square mile of me. >> look how tough. >> i know. >> we have news to get to, joe.
>> i said mannix yesterday. it's more steve lord. >> how do you describe the angle of pi head? >> contorted and your hair is parted down the middle. >> looks like a young raymond burr. >> he does. >> today is election day. we have important elections here. >> decision day in two states. voters selecting their next governor. both races could set the tone for the 2014 midterms and the 2016 presidential race. we'll start in virginia where the latest quinnipiac poll shows terry mcauliffe ahead of ken cuccinelli by six points. last month it was 12. cuccinelli said he's optimistic about pulling off the upset. senator marco rubio helped him deliver a final pitch putting the focus squarely on banl.
>> i know tomorrow night the people of virginia will send a clear message to our country and the democratic party. >> absolutely. >> yeah! >> we don't want obama care. >> nope. >> we don't want more big government. >> no! >> i'm scared to death of what obama care is doing to virgin n virginians. terry mcauliffe is scared of what it's doing to him. [ cheers ] >> vice president joe biden hit the trail saying the election is a chance to push back against extreme ideology. >> i think the motto of the tea party should be back to the future. [ laughter ] >> no, really. think about it. these guys are the antithesis of change and progress. everything they talk about without exaggeration is about turning back what the rest of
the country and the world thinks is progress. it's hard to fathom this day being led by a man who rejects all that the new thinking stands for. >> some are pointing out that the vice president didn't mention president obama nor the affordable care act during his entire speech. >> smart move. >> the president campaigned for mcauliffe a day earlier. julie pace, weigh in on the race. >> speaking of biden i don't think you want to talk about obama care when you're tying to get a democrat elected. that was a smart move. democrats feel good about what they are seeing in virginia now. terry is hardly a perfect candidate. there are draw backs in having be the nominee. but either seeing money raised for democrats. he built support in the state, learned lessons from his last run for governor. for democrats looking forward
there was concern that obama was maybe able to win because he's a unique candidate and can appeal to certain groups democrats can't appeal to. democrats are looking and saying maybe the obama model can be applicable for the future. >> so either of you guys share my skepticism in the polls that show eight, nine, ten points? i say it only because virginia sl -- terry mcauliffe doesn't fit tightly in virginia. cuccinelli said a lot puts him outside the main stream of virginia voters. i find it hard to believe terry will win by five, six, seven, eight points. >> you will get in a race like that in a competitive state and it's called natural tightening. the margins won't stay big. what keeps terry with a big enough cushion is the gender gap. the big difference between chris
christie's effort in a bluer state in new jersey and cuccinelli in virginia is christie has solved to a large extent the female issue though his opponent is a woman. he's done a better job of the kind of obama voters cuccinelli hasn't reached -- younger voters and minority voters. >> here's the question. both candidates are pro life. >> exactly. >> in new jersey, pro life chris christie has a massive gender gap except the women are on his side. in a state that's less pro life than virginia. what's the difference between cuccinelli and -- >> tim kaine was personally pro life and was able to win in virginia, too. there are ways of being pro-life and not affecting large portions of the female electorate. ken cuccinelli has not pulled it off. chris christie has. terry is not what one would call
a right fit candidate for the old virginia. one of the things that's true about virginia is it's changed a lot. there is a reason barack obama was able to win in 2008 and 2012. there are transient voters, young, hispanic voters there. the state profile is different than it was even ten years ago. it puts him in the position mark said because of the financial vanl he's had in a position to win. i don't ting he'll win by eight points. >> yeah. >> he's going to end up closer to three or four. it looks like he was going to win. >> so much of politics has to do with personal style. bob mcdonald, every bit as conservative as cuccinelli. every bit as conservative. and the guy won by, what, 20 points? the year after barack obama had his massive victory. even before all the obama care
dust-up of 2010. i mean, he just wiped the democrats out. so you've got to look at chris christie and bob mcdonald. there are ways to win in these purple-blue states. but you've got to make people think i guess you are focused on jobs first, not ideology. i don't think cuccinelli has done it. >> talk b about personal style. mark mentioned it with chris christie in new jersey. if you look at from the last election to how he's polling with african-american voters, he got no african-american voters the first time. he's not going to win that but he's up to a significant percentage of the population. same with latino voters. he's going beyond his issues which endares him to voters who normally wouldn't aline with him, including women. if he can show by winning tonight, as we presume he will, that he can bring with him voters ta a lot of republicans
in a lot of states write off, that sends a huge message not just in new jersey but nationally. >> he's not afraid of bonding with other groups. in new jersey the polls shows the not a question if republican chris christie will win re-election but how much. a poll finds christie leading barbara buono by 20 points. a rutgers poll has him in the lead 66 to 30%. if the margins hold christie will be the first republican to win more than 50% of the vote since 1988. the new york times reports democrats are doing everything in their power to prevent christie from getting a landslide victory. $35 million has been spent by outside groups during the new jersey election, the highest amount in any state ever with the exception of california. >> why waste that money? >> they are not using it to stop governor christie.
they are trying to control the legislature which they can do with big targeted money in those districts. the last time the democratic party failed to stop a governor who had presidential aspirations from a big re-election victory, george bush, huge mistake on the democratic party. they ran a weak candidate, didn't do damage to him and they got elected president. if governor christie is like the president in three years, in large part it will owe to the fact that they have done no damage to him in the race. >> yesterday, governor christie spoke about how this election will stand out from others. >> you watch what will happen tomorrow. i absolutely believe that what you are going to see is something that hasn't happened in this state? a generation. i had all kinds of folks whispering in my ear today. [ whispering ] i'm a democrat. don't tell anybody. i'm voting for you. [ applause ] >> all right. yesterday, christie downplayed a
confrontation he had with a public school teacher saying her side of the exchange was, quote, grossly inaccurate. the teacher approached the governor asking why he believes new jersey public schools are failure factories. she said christie cut her off saying, by her account, what do you want? i'm tired of you people. christie denies that. he says, quote, what i said was it's never enough for you people. no matter how much money i give it's never enough for you people. >> john meechum we have a picture of chris christie. it's not quite ronald reagan standing in front of the statue of liberty. t.j., if you could put it up. >> again. >> i was referencing the picture you put up. >> good. >> not exactly ronald reagan in front of the statue of liberty labor day weekend. close. but that's just chris christie. the question everybody will be asking tomorrow morning is whether his style of new jersey translates to iowa, new
hampshire, south carolina and florida. >> it's a little bit more "jersey shore" than newt rockney. the questions are can a center right republican like christie survive the primaries in 2016 and take the party back or control the further right. the other story i think will be the clintons. the virginia victory b will be seen as a victory for the clinton wing because of mcauliffe's long time association. you were showing the images there. the irony for obama is he's the guy who passes health care. the clintons don't. the clintons seem to be the political winners. >> very, very interesting. >> really. >> one more race to get to. >> this is a big one. >> it's viewed as a battle that will shape the future direction of the republican party. today's special election run-off
in alabama's first congressional district. former state senator brendan byrne is squaring off against dean you dean young, a tea party businessman. many are backing byrne including the chamber of commerce who spent nearly $200,000 on the race. young has praised the tea party, making it clear how he intends to legislate. at a debate last month he said, quote, if you send me to congress it will be like sending ted cruz to washington. >> he questions byrne's faith and says he doesn't believe in the bible the way you should believe in the bible. this is an extraordinary race because of how quickly conservative business people have weighed in. ricketts who, of course, is a huge contributor to the
republican party and a very, very conservative guy. he plays a small role in "double down." he has piled over $100,000 into bradley byrne's campaign because he wants a rock solid conservative but a guy who doesn't want what i thought the national review was a perfect term. apocalyptic conservative. he doesn't want an apocalyptic conservative. he wants a conservative that can actually pass legislation. >> right. one of the things that's interesting here i think historically is the goldwater movement was driven by small town businessmen who resented the new deal, who resented the interference in the marketplace, the labor laws. and now, interestingly, a couple generations later, really the chambers of commerce and the rotary clubs of the country are the republican establishment.
>> right. >> the insurgents who were fighting against eisenhower and were the goldwater guys and became the reagan stalwarts are as uncomfortable with the right as they were with the left. i think it's arguable that the center of gravity for republicans is somewhere between cultural conservatives and more radical guys and the rotary club, kiwanis club, chamber of commerce folks who are focused on the bottom line. >> tell us more about ricketts. he's a really, really conservative guy. >> he's a really conservative guy. >> he's come in to this race to say, enough, we want the pro business conservative pro life guy. >> he's not a guy that's traditionally had culture war politics. he's focused the -- his super pac was focused on spending. the proposal made to him when he was looking to spend money to defeat obama the proposal made
to him by a conservative super pac by some republican consultants was to take on obama over reverend wright. he never approved that proposal. his main focus has always been on fiscal issues. i think in this case he's looking at someone standing up saying i want to bring ted cruz politics to washington. if you want to stop spending in washington, if you want to win as the point has been made, there is a better way to go b about that in terms of practical politics than the ted cruz, as you said, and the national review said apocalyptic brand of republican. >> as i said this weekend it's like being a cowboys fan and running up the middle on fourth and 31 on your own ten yard line instead of punting. you can say it makes me a man because i will run a fullback trap up the middle. no. it's just stupid tactics if you want to win. >> we have a lot to get to this morning. the president started clarifying
the message on obama care. thought it was good. >> that was awful. >> you thought it was good? that was pathetic. >> no, no, no. >> he's using we instead of i. >> we have to go now. but we will talk about it. that's a tease. >> you think it's good? >> i actually -- >> what he did was embarrassing. >> coming up on "morning joe," chuck todd on what to look for in today's big races and steve schmidt will be here. former chief of staff to president bush andy card and frank bruni explains why hillary clinton's path to the white house might be tougher than it seems. up next, the political playbook. only mike can do that. i love his socks. >> i would argue mike shouldn't. just because you can doesn't mean you should. >> here's bill with a check on the forecast. >> i don't think i would even do that by mistake. good morning. on this election day, very cold
in new england. but it will be dry. the troublesome weather in the middle of the country. heading out the door today dressed just like yesterday. we are very cool. temperatures are in the 20s from albany to hartford. 33 in boston. it's warmer d.c. to new york. throughout the next two days heading into the 60s in some cases. even this afternoon will be warmer from philadelphia south, baltimore and d.c. the middle of the country is where the troublesome weather is. winter weather will move across the plains. first snow of the season for minneapolis, much of nebraska, sioux falls, south dakota. that snow is just breaking out in rapid city. it's a narrow band but could add up to four inches by tomorrow morning in spots. also the rain is moving through st. louis, chicago. bring the umbrella. a possibility of significant airport delays with a storm moving through the middle of the country. for the east coast it was cold, chilly and now the warm- up begins.
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♪ time now to take a look at the morning papers. from our parade of papers, the star ledger. police found the body of a gunman they believe walked into a new jersey mall firing shots at random. luckily the shots didn't hit anyone though the mall was crowded. it happened at the westfield garden state plaza mall. shots were reported around 9:20 last night as the mall was about to close. as police approached the gunman identified as richard shoop. he fled into the mall instead of engaging with the police officers. he took his own life. the wash war post. a bill to ban discrimination
against lgbt workers will advance. a margin of 61-30 with support of seven republicans. >> san francisco chronicle, twitter increased the price of the ipo by 25% as anticipation continues to grow ahead of the initial stock offering on thursday. shares will now sell between 23 and $25. this sets twitter's valuation at more than $13 billion. >> l.a. times, blackberry stocks will open at $7 a share after plunging yesterday. the drop knolled news that the ceo author son hines is out. and plans for a sell fell through. at one point shares fell 16%. >> new york times. data connected from a nasa telescope suggest this there could be as many as 40 billion earth-sized planets in our galaxy. they are believed to have surface temperatures acceptable
for the development of life. the data also shows the nearest planet may be 12 light years or 72 trillion miles away. >> stuff like that makes my head hurt. the new york daily news. nine sky divers went up for fun in wisconsin but the planes they were in collided mid flight. miraculously everybody survived. anne thompson has the exclusive video. >> reporter: the last jump of the day for nine sky divers and two pilots nearly became the last flight of their lives. two planes out of control saturday evening. one plane breaking up in fiery debris. what looks to be certain disaster was not. watch again from a different angle and you can see what happened. in this video licensed by nbc news you see the divers in the second plane get out on the step preparing to jump. that plane appears to fly right on top of the first plane.
there is a fireball and now divers from both planes, instead of flying in a planned formation find themselves in a terrifying plummet. not only are they falling from 12,000 feet at 125 miles per hour, so are the burning parts of the first plane. all the divers opened their chutes and land safely. the pilot of the first plane gets out alive, too, using his emergency parachute. then there's this. >> come on, blake. you've got it. come on. >> reporter: blake whedon lands the second plane at the airport though there is damage to the propellor and the wing. the jumpers and the pilots, all veterans of the sky, know how close they came. >> very, very lucky. any time two planes collide in the air, it's a potential disaster for everybody involved. so we were all very, very lucky here. >> reporter: after pursuing thrills in the air tonight for these 11 lucky people the greatest thrill is just being alive.
>> for those 11, if i were one of their spouses they would never see the light of day in the air again ever. ever, ever. don't ever go flying again. are you kidding me? >> jumping out of a perfectly functioning airplane. >> i can't believe the pilot of the second plane that was in flames got out with the emergency chute. >> speaking of unreal -- >> i want to fly on the planes that have the parachute. >> every plane. >> 747. >> anything happens. >> this is a waste of time. to politico. >> focus. >> so much to get to. >> mike allen is here, chief white house correspondent of politico. good to see you. a lot of time in the new york. we like it. >> "double down" day. you have uh to be here. >> officials warning insurance shopper to expect more outages
while they attempt to fix the issues plaguing health care.gov. yesterday the website was down approximately 90 minutes. today the wall street journal reports early buyers of insurance through obama care are trending older than expected which could drive up costs for everybody. they need young, healthy customers. last night president obama defended his health care law and the controversy around the number of cancelled policies related to obama care. >> people are acting like this is some new phenomenon. every year there was churn in the individual market. the average increase was double digits on premiums in this same market. now, if you have or had one of these plans before the affordable care act came into law and you really liked that plan what we said was you could keep it -- if it hasn't changed since the law has passed. the rhetoric of reform is becoming the reality of reform.
we are not going back. so just remember this. i have run my last political campaign. but i will tell you what. i have one more campaign in me. the campaign to make sure this law works for every single person in america. >> yes! >> mika is fired up. >> yes! >> meanwhile, drive that straight over the cliff. go ahead, mr. president. >> oh, please. >> new white house memos acquired by abc news show the problems go beyond the website. the documents say applying by paper or phone is no better than doing so online. they are approve bid the same process. >> what? >> jay carney was asked about it by abc's john carl. >> you said you can bypass the website and apply by phone or in person and it can be done in 25 minutes. these memos say at the end of the day -- >> okay. we don't have the sound bite. it was a contentious back and forth. we'll play it in a second. let's sift through it. it's a lot to digest.
what did we hear? >> it wasn't just contentious which you get every day in the briefing room. you don't get jay carney basically mocking john carl, imitating his tone. >> why would he do it? >> there is great frustration. the abc memos showed not only that the problem also exists if you apply by paper or by phone but that the administration well knew it before the president came out and said the alternative ways are fine. the congressional committees are having a field day with notes. they say war room notes at the top. that's a reporter's dream. turned over to congress, make it to reporters. the wall street journal story is a real canary in the coal mine. the plan depends on getting young people like louis bergdorf into the plan. >> that ain't happening. >> the government says people like that will come in at the
end but insurers are worried already. it's already out of whack. >> if it were a plan that would come with hair gel and mirrors he would be there. >> are they going to do that? >> you were there yesterday, julie. >> julie was at the briefing. >> talk about how contentious it became and jay carney mocking a well respected reporter. >> absolutely. this is something we say a lot during political campaigns and the same applies to the white house. any time you are turning your attention toward going after reporters and going after the press i think that's a sign that you're in trouble. that's usually the last resort. going back to what obama said last night, when he said we have said all along you could keep your plan unless it changed it may be what's written in the law or what becomes good policy. that's not what the president said over the past three years. words matser, especially on something like this that's been unpopular with many members of the public. seems like they tried to frame
it in a way that would be more appealing but may not have been true. >> john, word ds do matter. the president last night said "we said you could keep your insurance if your plans didn't change." of course he didn't say we killed osama bin laden, we did this. suddenly he's spreading out the blame. he's saying something that's simply not true. the take a look at this, john. this is new york magazine. the conservative website put this together. let's judge this. >> whether it bears repeating. you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it. if you like the plan you have you can keep it. if you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. you keep your plan. sp f you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. if you've got health insurance you can keep it. if you like your health care plan you will keep your plan.
if you have life insurance, you like your doctor, you like your do plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. if you have insurance that you like, you will be able to keep that insurance. if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. if the you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep it. if you want to keep the health insurance you've got, you can keep it. if you like the insurance plan you have now, you can keep it. and if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. so if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. [ cheers ] >> if you like your plan, keep your plan. if you like your current insurance, you will keep your current insurance. if you like your plan, you can
keep your plan. if you like your pralan, you ca keep your plan. if you're happy with what you've got, nobody is changing it. >> i'm just a dumb country lawyer and i'm not good with words. it doesn't sound -- julie, i agree with julie pace here. it doesn't sound like the president's claim last night was true. >> one of the things that's interesting about the first clip you played is the president had a tone of frustration. a tone of, well, you can keep your plan but there is always churn in the markets as if we weren't quite bright enough to get that. i think that's part of the issue of this presidency. we'll be talking about it for years to come about his ability to, a, communicate simply and now accurately, and, b, to really understand that, you know, we are all not quite as slow perhaps as he thinks we are. >> as dumb as we think.
on a lot of the clips if you expand them out that we just played he's exasperated with republicans, too. >> they don't get it. >> they're not telling you the truth. they're idiots. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. now he's doing it the other way, too. where we are all just the dumbest people on the planet and why don't we get it and why aren't we as elevated as he is above the fray when he just didn't tell american it is truth for three years. >> mike, quick. >> if you think the reel never gets old, another leading indicator, the first commercial that uses the clip in republican super pac is spending $340,000 which at this stage in the kentucky race is a lot. >> wow. >> they start with the clip of the president saying if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. it's an ad attacking the democrat al son grimes linking her to this. >> we have to talk more about this. >> first of all -- >> i will tell you why we need to talk to the john mee chum.
when your plane is the in trouble, get the chute and jump out. there are ways to handle the crisis. they are not handling it the right way. telling people they're stupid. having your press secretary mock one of the most respected people in the white house press corps. maybe actually doing the george washington retreat on long island in the summer of 1776, maybe the this president needs a six-month cooling off period. figure out how to make their website work. stop this. this is only getting worse for them. they are digging deeper every day. >> you are hearing it from democrats. now it's democrats in red states. you will hear from more and more democrats. six months, even a year, hoping for breathing room saying in the end it would be a favor for the white house. >> mike allen, thank you so much. >> "double down" day. >> aaron rodgers goes down in
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shoulder. knocked out for the rest of the game. talking about the collarbone. no word on the severity of the injury. it doesn't look good. didn't come back. third quarter, packers trailing by seven. eddy lacy. >> roll tide. >> 56 yards before finally going down at the 1. he punches it in on the next play. game tied at 17. later, bears down three. backup quarterback josh mcallen finds jeffrey for the six-yard touchdown and the lead. they tack on the field goal. bears on the road without jay cutler beat the packers 27-20. the big news, what's up with aaron rodgers. we'll find out more today. >> if you have a hippy running down the field -- >> no hair tackling. >> what else? >> it's considered an extension of the face mask. >> really? >> eddie lacy is having a great rookie season. >> roll tide. >> he's a brute.
you rarerily hear "bullying" associated with the nfl but that's what happened in the miami dolphins locker room. they suspended richie incog any to for sending racially charged texts and voicemails to jonathan martin. he said the bullying has been going on for 18 months dating back to last subpoena when he was a rookie. the dolphins want the nfl to investigate. incognito deleted tweets including one that said he wants his name cleared. one he didn't is three things cannot be hidden for long. the sun, the moon, the truth. >> that bad? >> terrible. >> i was trying to figure out why this football player was bullying jonathan martin from the new york times. >> you don't screw with that jonathan martin. it's not good. up next, the early front runner.
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one of the widely circulated nuggets from the just published book "double down, game change 20 2012" is that obama's advisers considered knocking joe biden off the ticket and putting hillary on. the anecdote has been cast as an insult to biden but he remaineded. what does that say about hillary? >> she's supposed to be magic. >> the research showed if the swap was made it wouldn't be a great bump for obama. if she's got such a magic -- >> what did they find? >> it didn't improve the numbers materially. one thing they were concerned about was she had injected a jolt of excitement on the b ticket. she also would have been a weakness to back away from biden. there are pluses and minuses to go in either direction. >> she has a problem on top of
that. voter disgust with the stratus quo has risen. i have serious questions. i would be curious for your thoughts on this. in 2016 are people going to want somebody who is rooted in yesterday? >> there was a real possibility -- everybody is looking at chris christie. the election is in front of us. the best bet is a bush server jus a clinton. jeb versus hillary. >> that's the best bet? >> but jeb won't run. >> doesn't that make you tired? >> i'm not sure. the bushies are trying to make it happen. you mentioned bush or clinton and you're right. there is this, geez, do we want the to go back to where we were 25 years ago? >> when i look at polls saying 60% of americans, which i think is high, all members of congress replaced including their congress person. 63% say we need a third party. another all time high.
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i shouldn't have got hammered down at the danforth. if you're going to have drinks, stay home. that's it. you don't make a public spectacle of yourself. >> one, i would very much like to know what happened down at the danforth. and, two, you realize, uh, from now on i'm just going to get [ bleep ] up at home? that may not be the answer to either your substance abuse problems or your job as the guy who runs -- toronto. >> welcome back to "morning joe." don't you go down to the danforth, boys. >> wow. >> don't do it.
mark is still with us along with john meechum in nashville. is there a danforth there? >> no. he's in st. louis. >> okay. >> there's only one danforth. >> sure. wow. julie pace in washington. >> one meechum in tennessee. one danforth in missouri. >> joining the table former mccain senior campaign strategist and nbc political analyst steve schmidt. >> we're going to talk about races in second. it will be an important race. same thing with new jersey for presidential politics. also in alabama, extraordinarily important race. john, i want to go back. let's talk about what we touched on for a minute or two. >> yeah. we had mike allen saying democrats are quietly starting to say to the white house, do yourself a favor. back up. let's delay this six months. get the launch right.
clean up the mess. red state governors know it will blow up in their campaigns. they know it. so shouldn't the president -- historically looking at all of this, does it make sense for the president to back up, delay this for six months and go back and do it right? this launch has been catastrophic. it keeps getting worse every day for them politically. it's the democrats running for senate and the house in 2014 that is going to hurt the most. >> you know, there is the old fdr rule about bold persistent experimentation. you have to try something. if it doesn't work, admit it frankly. above all, try something. they have to admit this frankly. they did a modified admission about a week ago now. this does feel like it's spiralling. the president put his finger on it when he said the rhetoric of
reform is becoming the reality of reform. intellectually, as ever, he gets it. he get that is what he sees as the side show, the noise, has become the center of the conversation. he said it. it is the center of the conversation. politically he has to now sell the public sector's capacity to take on this enormous task after several weeks now of abject and obvious failure. whether you can afford to do six months, i don't know. i would throw it back to the "double down" guys and see if there was anything in the last year or so in y'all's reporting that showed obama's capacity to switch in midstream. clearly after the first debate. do you all see any kind of redemption strategy? >> what we saw in looking at his time from the show down over the budget in november of -- fall of
'11 was warfare for the last year. his idea is to beat republicans in submission and feel like if he shows weakness, says he's made a mistake, his view of the current political dynamic is he'll be attacked. so he doesn't show weakness in public. he's not changed the terms of combat. >> it's clarifying it. the insurance companies should have been able to predict that. i concur that people were misled by the statements. chris matthews said, he needs to fix this. >> most importantly he has to fix it substantively. he'll never get it implemented if he doesn't raise the competency and impact of the program. not everybody will be a winner under obama care. >> he's in a bunker now. he overpromised. they discussed the possibility of being more nuanced.
they pushed it aside because they knew if they didn't mislead the american people, if they said there would be winners and losers in obama care it would never pass. remember how it passed. they had to blow up the senate rules. they had to blow up the filibuster rule. though they had 59 democrats in the senate, they could only get 51 votes. that was by misleading the american people saying if you want your insurance policy, you can keep -- i know that might upset people on the far left on twitter. i'm sorry. it's just the reality of it. they had to lie to pass obama ca care. david ignacius said it. in many ways, willie, this was not only far too much to take on politically, but also substantively. they are not in a place where they can make this run efficiently now. >> if you talk to people around the president in washington, as everyone at this table has, i
think they still believe this will turn out in the space of history to be a blip on a larger program. they will look back on it as a blip, a website problem. or maybe they over promised for a 5% sliver of people -- as they call it -- who were over promised on the issue. the white house is unlikely to reverse course. i don't think they will put a six-month hold on it. i think they want the to ride out the storm, get the website fixed and eventually the affordable care act b will be good enough for enough people it will be viewed as a success. >> we'll find out over time but one thing the white house is insinuating is, look, this is a technical problem, a website problem. this doesn't go to the heart, the structure of the entitlement. the flaws inherent to this. then you look at the data protection issues. the ability to hold their private, sensitive information
confidential. there will be cascading issues that haven't been discussed yet. as this this starts to fracture and come apart over the next couple of months. materially, the president's misrepresentations of the program, the largest expansion from an entitlement perspective on the narrowest of partisan votes, the foundation of this legislation, i think, is in thely stages of collapsing. we are at the beginning of the story, not the middle or end. it's far deeper than a technical issue. >> i have angered republicans by telling the truth about what ted cruz's strategy would bleed to. i wasn't alone. a lot of us predicted this. and it happened. republicans are now having the lowest approval rating ever. i have to say to my democratic friends. the same thing will happen here. the tea party didn't just come and drop down on earth from mars. these people didn't come from anywhere. they are the children of obama
care. they get elected because of the excesses in 2009 and 2010. we predicted it on this show in real time. so why does the president need to back up? why does he need to catch his breath? why does he need to stop sounding like richard nixon in a bunker trying to explain why he didn't lie to the american people when there is a tape of him doing that 26, 27, 28 times. what happened in 2010 with the over reach is impacting politics today in washington, d.c. if this continues, yes, the website will be fixed. but the scar tissue politically will elect a lot more people in 2014 that look like the people that were elected in 2010. this doesn't happen in a vacuum. >> i just -- >> you look at democratic support even with the horrible leadership. it's democrats who are suffering
now and will continue to suffer if the president doesn't take a leadership role. that's why senate democratic candidates from red states are going to the president right now and saying, we are in trouble. you need to help us. >> i think you can hone in on that potential problem for the democrats, especially in the midterms, maybe. you're not considering the shutdown. you're not considering the negative impact of the tea party. you're not considering the damage that ted cruz has done to the republican party. i would say the white house in the past few weeks by virtue of the failed launch and the misstatements by the president given the fact that they should have predicted there would be even a few people who are knocked off their plans who were given great hardship because of the health care law and whether it's five people or 5 million, those are stories that are going to be told and b stories the communications department in the administration and the democratic party should have predicted. that's just stupid ti --
>> hey, hey -- >> may i finish? the thing is right now, i think the potential for the republicans to still lose out is strong. i think the president has time to fix this. here's what could fix this -- getting people signed up. i don't know how they do it. if they could get millions of people signed up, it will help a lot and it will debunk what you are saying. >> so far ted cruz has gotten out of the way. the republicans have gotten out of the way. they have learned their lesson. one thing you the don't want to happen is the white house to undergo bunker mentality where the president is saying things that aren't true about what he said before which wasn't true.
you don't want jay carney attacking the most respected press corps members in washington. >> you said to bypass it with paper or on the phone and it can be done in 25 minutes but they all go through the same portal. >> john, i get it. but the person who calls isn't the one who continues to wait after the paper application is filled. >> your mocking is entertaining but the president said you could apply within 25 minutes. that was not true. >> we see you sitting in the frame right next to john carl. take us inside the room. where is that frustration coming from we see with jay carney? >> a lot of the frustration from those of us in the press corps is that you hear the white house -- both the president and his advisers acknowledging that there is confusion, that there is misinformation that's out there about the health care law but not acknowledging their role in creating the confusion. not acknowledging that some of this comes from their statements and explanations.
in talking about the politics of it and their bunker mentality, you have senate democrats, particularly who are in these red states saying to the white house, maybe we need to hold on. you even had dianne feinstein who said to the chief of oh staff that maybe they should take down the website while they are solving the problems. from the white house perspective taking down the website or holding off for six months even if the end result. they don't want to be seen as having to admit that this simply isn't working. i will say quickly there is a thing republicans have to worry about. if everyone acknowledges obama care isn't working in its current form there will be a point where they turn to republicans and say maybe you disagreed and you were b able to delay or stop it. now what? waes your plan.
>> for what it's worth the president's tone as he tried to walk back his repeated statement that if you like your insurance you will keep your policy. he takes on a lecturing tone to say there is always churn in the markets and don't you all understand that? it's the most revealing human element here, more so than carney. clearly there is an enormous amount of frustration. while that's a natural human reaction it's not going to physician it. let's be blunt. one of the fundamental tests of a democratic administration is that you leave the public sector stronger and more credible than when you came in. republicans have to make the private sector more credible and stronger than when they came in. that's why the end of the bush administration was difficult. the economic crisis was a failure. what is happening now is there is a possibility that the president one year almost to the
day from his re-election is facing something where the public sector is not going to emerge for these eight years stronger or in certainly going to emerge less popular. that's what is at stake. >> the big crisis coming for the president on health care is as you said before. obama care is in the spotlight. the old system, the insurance market was capricious, costs out of control for individuals in the macro economy and irrational. the president's confident he built a better system that will eventually lower costs, will be more rational and limit the power of insurance companies to take advantage of people. people aren't thinking of the old system. they are thinking of the problems with obama care and whether the problem is lack of honesty about what to do in the individual market, whether it's about the computer, all the other changes coming, rising rates in some places, he has a big problem. he can no longer say this is better than before. people are saying is this what we want. if you have a system like this this there will be problems.
>> to john meechum's point one of the defining characteristics of this is the collapse of trust of nearly every institution in the country, particularly government institutions. so this becomes sort of a death spiral because it requires to fix this more and more representations by an administration that when they talk about this has misrepresented the consequences. this is the consequence of passing legislation that nobody read or understood. nancy pelosi said we'll figure out what's in it when we pass it. we are figuring out what's in it and the administration has a big problem for the next couple of years. >> steve, stay with us. up next, how presidential politics loom over today's races for governor in virginia and new jersey. nbc's chuck todd joins us on set. ♪
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obama care will have men and women paying the same amount for health care. but since women live longer and have babies shouldn't they pay more? >> under the new law they are including essential health benefits including maternity, pediatric dental and vision, contraceptive services and free birth control pills, none of which are young man needs or wants. [ laughter ] >> did you catch that? under obama care men will pay the same amount as women and yet we still don't get to pass a cantaloupe with toenails through our genitals. >> see? that was fantastic. everybody is cringing on set. you guys are pitiful. seriously. >> that's -- >> i have never had that imagery
bere. wow. >> can you imagine? >> that was good. >> no. i can't. i have had kidney stones. >> oh, please. >> don't "oh, please me." i know. >> oh, please. they are not alive. >> not the same as passing a cantaloupe with toenails. >> it's not a cantaloupe. >> steve is bright red. >> i have three kids. i have been there for all of them. >> bright red. >> i can only imagine. >> willii? >> i have been in the room for two of them. i have seen the -- yeah. >> can you imagine? >> no. i don't want to. >> okay. >> thanks, mika. >> justing sure. >> your gender guilt trip of the day. >> exactly. >> that could be a sponsored segment with mika. >> the gender guilt trip of the day, brought to you by -- >> monistat. >> begin with the apology.
>> begin every one. >> always too mean to take it. >> you should consider taking something. so, let me ask you, chuck. zoom in on chuck. virginia today, we have a six-point lead for terry mcauliffe. will we have more tightening than that? >> it goes the other way, if anywhere. >> sounds like inside the camps, talking like this one is over. >> it is. >> you look for certain tells. following around chris christie. he ran mcdonald's campaign four years ago in virginia. i said, hey, what are you doing here. he said, oh, you know, with one of my governors.
didn't want to talk about it. you look for little tells like that. the money thing has been a gap for a month. the rga hasn't thrown in any money in the last couple of weeks. you put that all together. >> is that because ken cuccinelli is too far right? >> no. this is a win and a lose. a political party will support any candidate with a shot of winning. right, steve? the last two weeks for a campaign, it's about winning and losing. >> the terry mcauliffe, i'm sorry. i know the guy. i like him very much. he's just not a tight fit for virginia and the b fact that the republicans have apparently lost the race to terry mcauliffe speaks ill of the republican party in virginia now. >> incredible. political parties are either expanding or contracting. this is the inevitable consequence of nominating somebody through a caucus process. >> explain why did they decide
to do it through a convention instead of a primary that would have probably gotten a guy that would have beaten terry mcauliffe? >> in a primary you have impure people voting. you have rhinos participating. >> do you mean people who go to work every day and drop their kids off at school and go to work. >> eat food. >> come home and -- >> grocery shop. >> put the kids to bed and don't spend all day listening to talk radio on the blogosphere? those people. >> exactly right. >> we don't want those people participating in the process? >> we want them watching television from 5:30 to 10:00. >> absolutely. >> any time you look at a political organization that has an ideological problem in that it was captured by idealogues, the first thing they do is hunt the heretics. find the people insured, shrink it. jim demint said i would rather
have 33 people agree with me 100% of the time which is the opposite of reagan. he said if somebody agrees with me 80% of the time isn't my political oh opponent. we see the consequence of what a contracting republican party looks like in virginia. >> look at new jersey for a minute, too. governor christie himself. >> he's not hiding this. he said the country is watching. we'll show how republicans can win. do we take too much away? is this a new jersey story for the republican party or can it be a national story? >> if republicans want to make it a national story, they can. i don't know if republicans want to unite because the message is you don't govern. you do what you can get done. govern with the state legislature that you have. >> you work with the other side.
>> it is -- listen to what we could have today. an historic, once in a generation issue. no republican in a statewide race got over 50% since george w. bush in 1988. >> no pro-life governor has been elected statewide since row v. wade passed. >> this ticket could lead to the first democratic sweep where democrats hold all five statewide offices. the two u.s. senate seats. we'll see. the a.g. race is close. if they could hold all five, first time since the nixon administration. >> cuccinelli is the most moderate of the people on the ticket. >> here you are looking at it and you say, geez. if i'm planning the republican party, this guy reached out to the middle. this guy didn't.
>> you have been asking for years. steve has, too. do we let hillary clinton appoint bureaucrats for the next eight years after barack obama leaves while we are hunting h ergs retic srs. look at what joe ricke the tts is doing. a conservative guy, god bless him. going to alabama one, right across the state line from my old district. putting in the $100,000. the chamber of commerce, god bless them. i don't always agree. but here they are going down, finding bradley byrne, a conservative republican, whose belief in the bible was questioned by his tea party opponent. does the fever break tonight in mobile, alabama, in the district? >> i don't think the fever breaks yet. i think we are shaping up for
the titanic fight we have to have in the republican party. when it comes to being able to nominate candidates. you have the ability to communicate to. >> that's what the constituents wanted them to do. >> they said we have played this game. this electability game. it got us this prescription drug benefit and higher deficits. that's the conservative argument. you understand that frustration. right, joe? you do understand that frustration. >> what you don't understand, chuck, is this. >> that's a real tension. >> where were these people while i was attacking george bush? >> that's true. they hide. they do. >> i was attacking bush and they
were calling p me a rhino then for attacking george bush as a big spending republican. now suddenly they found jesus and some 2010 conversion. death bed conversion and if you don't want to torch washington in a day, i'm a rhino for attacking bush for years and then for wanting to win election. where were these people while george bush was spin spending us into debt? where was ted cruz? isn't it amazing. people get more conservative when a democrat is in the white house. >> right. and vice versa. this happens in the democratic party. they are all stying united because there is a democrat in the white house. president obama sits there, and goes, wow, republicans supported this in 2006 and 2007 when bush was p. various items he tried to get done and suddenly they are not doing it. you can't help but see there is a political conversion and political convenience.
there is no doubt. >> we're going to let him go as far as he wants to go. >> this is the real test here in what the establishment has to figure out and with joe ricketts how do you separate the tea party supporters from the groups. some are in it for the money. no doubt. >> they are trying to make money off this. it's a scam. >> they are trying to profit off the real anger here with a economically challenged parts of america and rural america where, guess what, the economy has not gotten better the in the last ten years. this is frustration. the tea party groups, i think, are taking advantage of peep. i think that will be the challenge. chris christie can't alienate the tea party supporters. >> right. >> he has to figure out how to separate groups from supporters. that's what mitch mcconnell is trying to do in kentucky. we'll see if he can pull it off. >> reagan was able to do that. i will say it again. bob mcdonald was able to do it.
>> never had a primary. he never had a primary and it benefitted him greatly. >> he figured out they were calling him a crazy right wing kook. he focused on jobs, won over the state. >> not having a primary. >> well, it helps. going out of your way not to have a caucus so specifically bring somebody that's not electable in a general election campaign. >> chris christie is a conservative who can win and attract people into the party. that's what you need in a presidential election. he certainly is no moderate. he's governed as a conservative. he'll campaign should he run for president as a conservative. he's a conservative who can appeal to people who switch back and forth in these presidential elections. that's an important attribute, not a detriment. >> steve schmidt, thank you. chuck, we'll see you on "the
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that was in error. we love joe biden. i'm pleased people in delaware don't necessarily have to buy the book. they can just read all the biden parts in the newspaper. >> exactly. your next book should be on joe bide. >> i feel that way most days. >> over the weekend nine sky divers went up for a little fun in wisconsin. all of us have done this before. >> who doesn't? >> with a llama? >> always with a llama we stole from a petting zoo. the planes they were in collided mid flight. one burst into flames. miraculously, the story this morning is about the incredible video, not an incredible tragedy. nbc's anne thompson has exclusive pictures from inside the planes when they hit each other.
>> reporter: the last jump of the day for nine sky divers and two pilots nearly became the last flight of their lives. two planes out of control saturday evening. one plane breaking up in fiery debris. what looks to be certain disaster was not. watch again from a different angle and you can see what happened. in this video licensed by nbc news you see the divers in the second plane get out on the step preparing to jump. that plane appears to fly right on top of the first plane. there is a fireball and now divers from both planes, instead of flying in a planned formation find themselves in a terrifying plummet. not only are they falling from 12,000 feet at 125 miles per hour, so are the burning parts of the first plane. all the divers opened their chutes and land safely. the pilot of the first plane gets out alive, too, using his emergency parachute. then there's this. >> come on, blake. you've got it. come on. >> reporter: blake whedon lands the second plane at the airport though there is damage to the propellor and the wing.
the jumpers and the pilots, all veterans of the sky, know how close they came. >> very, very lucky. any time two planes collide in the air, it's a potential disaster for everybody involved. so we were all very, very lucky here. >> reporter: after pursuing thrills in the air tonight for these 11 lucky people the greatest thrill is just being alive. our next guest says reports of america's decline have been greatly exaggerated. why the nation is actually in far better shape than you might have heard, next. i am today by luck.
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how did i do? [ speaking german ] >> the author of the myth of america's decline. politics, economics and a half century of false prophesies. i can't wait to here about it. you have known my father 40 years? >> i first met him in the national security council when both of us stopped the soviet invasion of poland. >> exactly. >> he used me as a messenger boy. i spread the word. that stopped the soviets in their tracks. >> isn't it nice of him to use you? >> i was proud. >> how would you describe him? >> very smart, very polish. >> uh-huh. >> with an extra layer of anglo humor. >> that's pretty good. the myth of america's decline. is it a myth, josef? >> yes. >> even my father will say flying back into the united states is like flying back in time. especially when he goes to
places like singapore and china. >> yeah. >> where the growth is exponential. >> this is not exactly flying back in time, this studio here. this is state of the art. but the point i was trying to make was not dealing with anecdotes. lots of things you could find oh in this country and any country. i was talking about that the so-called miracle china is now going down the same route all the other asian tigers in the last 50 years have done -- japan, taiwan, et cetera. following their same growth model. the growth model comes to an end and we are already seeing they are now down to single digits. so that's one way in which you have to look at the long run. not anecdotes like the singapore airport. you look at some of the not only enduring strength of the united states but how they kind of reach forward into the future
and then i would stop talking about decline. >> love the amenities at the singapore airport. you sent me off a little bit. rather than drill down on three different kinds of foot massage and three different kinds of noodles. >> is that a sign of singapore power? >> there you go. >> no question the decline is exaggerated and we, by lots of measures, subjective and objective are ahead. isn't there enough of a gap closing that our meaningful influence on the economy, on diplomacy and military, isn't that all way down? >> that we have been moaning about for the last 50 years. great powers can't always get their way. especially not vis-a-vis small allies. you don't want to punish them and waegeaken them. not getting your way isn't necessarily the right measure. i was looking at, a, the end of the chinese growth model which has always mesmerized us.
we have looked at previous candidates who were slated to displace them. the soviet union back in the 50s, sputnik, little johnny can't read. soviet union is no more. then it was europe. europe is stagnating. then japan. japan was like horror vision in the '80s. the source of paranoia after they bought rockefeller center, this was it. japanese would inherit the world. down to zero growth. to come back to your point, even the greatest powers can't always get their way. but that's been true since the '50s. >> let me ask you as editor and publisher of the newspaper in germany, how is the nsa spying -- >> being handled? >> yeah. >> let me tell you what i think. if president obama would ask me, i would give him the following
sp irgs spiel, yes, mr. president. we always do the spying, we spy on each other, even on friends. we do it, you do it, the french, the brits. first rule is don't get caught. since you always get caught eventually, mr. president, it's not worth it. i wouldn't do it. not with my best european ally. so let prudence prevail over paranoia. and then if you would still keep me there i would say, you know, paranoia is getting out of bounds in this country. >> mm-hmm. >> you're going to grant al qaeda that kind of victory by quaking in fear? >> we could do an hour on the myth of america's decline. thank you so much for giving us a small taste of the book. jos ergs f jaffe, thank you. >> thank you.
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humans of new york founded by former bond trader brandon stanton. he travels the big apple capturing the images and the stories from this great city, and louis met up with brandon to find out how he went from losing his job to biltding an online following of nearly 2 million people. >> reporter: nows of portraits and stories, 29-year-old brandon stanton is one of the few that has captured the essence of new york by putting a human face on this magical city. >> excuse me. i was wonderring if i could photograph you guys just like that. i run a website. >> i saw you lay down on the ground while you were talking to this couple. >> my girlfriend will not let me get into bed in my clothes. i love this. if i'm talking to somebody, if i'm photographing, i am on the ground. >> why is that? >> i like low angles.
it's a great picture. and when i'm talking to somebody i don't want to be towering over them. you're impossible to take a bad picture of. i started photographing at the age of 26 as sort of a release from the stress of work because it wasn't going too well. my goal was to take 10,000 portraits of people and plop them on a map of the city. through the course offing to that i started having little conversations with these people i was photographing, so i would include a little capture, a little quote of what they said. as it evolved more and more i started having deeper and deeper conversations and suddenly the blog evolved from this photography blog to a storytelling blog. would you feel comfortable sitting right here? >> yeah. >> sit right there and i'll get down here with you. what are you most afraid of now? >> going back to a place or a time in my life where i didn't have all the tools to be strong. >> a good interview and one i'm going to get a good piece of
content, there's a moment where the framework of being in an interview kind of falls away and suddenly you're just really interested in what that person is saying. you're not thinking about getting quotes or anything. you're focused on their story. and as another human, just being interested in that person's story. and that's kind of being in the moment, where you forget about the process and you're just kind of absorbed in the conversation. >> how much of a role does your father's displeasure have in your life? >> i think negative inspiration is a big thing. >> what has been the most difficult, to be honest? >> when you're being confronted with negative things. >> the art is in creating this space where you can forget about the process and just be two people present in the moment. there was this one time i was at columbus circle and it was pouring down rain and there was this 80-year-old woman walking towards me with this very bright umbrella. i asked her, if you could give one piece of advice to a large group of people, what would that advice be? she said i'll tell you what my husband told me when he was
dying. i said, "mo, how am i going to live without you? take the love you have for me and spread it around." >> reporter: e.d. white once wrote the city is like poetry. it compresses all life, all races and breeds into a small island and adds music. life goes on. the island of manhattan is without any doubt the greatest human concentrate on earth. brandon stanton captures that one frame at a time. >> wow. >> okay. lewis, that was good. clayton. that was really good. thank you. up next, chris christie looking for a landslide re-election in new jersey. joe, stop. and a -- stop. we'll be right back. my customers can shop around--
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♪ we shall walk good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on the set, the double down boys. ? double "d." >> mark halpern and john adelman. >> these guys are great, willie. >> in nashville, john meacham. and in washington, the associated press's julie pace. >> we've got some important elections here. >> so decision day in two states. voerpts selecting their next governor and both races could set the tone for both the 2014 midterms and the 2016
presidential race. we'll start in virginia where the latest quinnipiac shows democrat terry mcauliffe ahead of ken cuccinelli by six points. a "washington post" last month showed mcauliffe with a 12-point lead. cuccinelli says he is optimistic about pulling off the upset. senator marco rubio helped him deliver a final pitch, putting the focus squarely on obama care. >> i know tomorrow night the people of virginia will send a clear message to our country and to the democratic party. we don't want obama care. >> nope. >> we don't want more big government. >> no! >> i'm scared to death of what obama care is doing to virginians. terry mcauliffe is scared to death of what obama care is doing to terry mcauliffe. >> yeah! >> and tomorrow we need to make his fears come true. >> vice president joe biden hit the trail for mcauliffe. he says the election is a chance to push back against extreme
ideology. >> i think the motto of the tea party should be "back to the future" because -- no, really. think about it. these guys are the antithesis, the absolute antithesis of change and progress. everything they talk about, without exaggeration, is about turning back what the rest of the country and the world thinks is progress. it's hard to fathom, it's hard to fathom this being led by a man who rejects all that this new thinking stands for. >> some are pointing out that the vice president didn't mention president obama, nor the affordable care act during his entire speech. >> smart move. >> the president campaigned for mcauliffe just one day earlier. julie pace, weigh in on the race. >> well, speaking of biden, i don't think you want to be talking about obama care at this
point when you're trying to get a democrat elected so, that was probably a smart move by him. i think that democrats feel really good about what they're seeing in virginia right now. terry mcauliffe is hardly a perfect candidate. there are a lot of drawbacks in having mcauliffe be your nominee. but what they're seeing is a lot of money raised for democrats, mcauliffe was able to build a lot of support in the state. he learned some lessons from his last run for governor. for democrats looking forward at presidential elections in virginia, there had been some concerns that obama maybe was able to win in the state because he's a unique candidate and he can appeal to certain groups that maybe democrats can't traditionally appeal to. so democrats are looking at this and saying that maybe the obama model can be applicable for the future. >> so, either of you guys share my skepticism in these polls that show 8, 9, 10 points? i say that only because virginia is -- i mean, it's -- terry mcauliffe doesn't fit tightly in virginia.
i know cuccinelli has said a lot of things that puts him outside of the mainstream of virginia voters, but i still find it hard to believe that terry's going to win by 5, 6, 7, 8 points. >> you're going to get in a race like that in a competitive state paul begala taught me long ago, natural tightening. you won't see the margins stay that big. what keeps terry with a big enough cushion is the gender gap. i think the biggest difference between chris christie's effort in a bluer state, new jersey, and cuccinelli's effort in virginia is christie has solved to a large extent the female issue, even though his opponent is a woman, and he's done a much better job of the kind of obama voters that cuccinelli has not reached. minority voters. >> here is the question, john heilman. both candidates are pro-life. >> exactly. >> in new jersey, pro-life chris christie has a massive gender gap except the women are on his side.
>> mm-hmm. >> in a state that is actually even less pro-life than virginia. >> well, as you -- >> what's the difference? cuccinelli and -- >> well, tim kaine was a democrat who was personally pro-life, who was able to win in virginia too. so there's ways of being pro-life and not offending large portions of the female electorate. ken cuccinelli has not pulled that off and chris christie has. and, look, part of the thing is i think you're right, terry mcauliffe is not what one would call a stereotypically right fit candidate for virginia. the old virginia. >> right. >> but one of the things that's true about virginia is it's changed a lot. the demography has changed a lot. there was a reason barack obama was able to win in 2008 and 2012. there's a not of new transient voters, young voters, new hispanic voters there. the state profile is dramatically different than it was even ten years ago. and it puts him in a position for the reason that -- mark said because of the financial he's had in a position to win. i don't think he's going to win by eight points. the reason i think he's going to end up probably closer to three
or four. but it looks like he's going to win. >> willie, so much of -- so much of politics has to do with personal style. bob mcdonald, every bit as conservative as cuccinelli. every bit as conservative. and the guy won by, what, 20 points? in 2009. the year after barack obama had his massive victory. even before all the obama care dust-up of 2010. i know when it started but, i mean, he just wiped the democrats out. you've just got to look at chris christie and bob mcdonald. there are ways to win in these purple, blue states. but you've got to make people think i guess you're focused on jobs first and not ideology, and i don't think cuccinelli has done that. >> you talk about personal style, mark mentioned it with chris christie in new jersey. i mean, there's a reason. if you look at even from the last election to how he's poll
right now with african-american voters. he got no african-american voters the first time. he's not going to win that vote, but he's up to a significant percentage of the population. same goes with latino voters. he's doing something beyond his positions on the issues which endear him to voters who normally wouldn't be aligned with him, and that includes with him. if he can show by winning tonight, as we presume he will, that he can bring those groups with him, voters in a lot of states right off, that sends a huge message not just in new jersey but nationally. >> unafraid of bonding with other groups as well. in new jersey, the polls show it's not a question if republican governor chris christie will win re-election but rather how much. a quinnipiac poll finds christie leading barbara buono by 28 points. monmouth university has christie up by 20, and a rutgers poll has him in the lead 66 to 30%. if those margins hold, chris christie will become the first
republican in the state to win more than 50% of the vote since 1988. but "the new york times" reports democrats are doing everything in their power to prevent christie from getting a landslide victory. a total of $35 million has been spent by outside groups during the new jersey election, the highest amount in any state ever with the exception of california. >> why would they raise that money? >> i don't know. >> why would they waste it? >> why would they -- >> they're not using it to try to stop governor christie. they're using it to try to hold control of the legislature, which they can do with big targeted money in those districts. the last time the democratic party failed to stop a governor who had presidential aspirations from a big re-election victory, george bush. huge mistake on the democratic party. they ran a weak candidate, didn't do any damage to him, and he got elected president. and if governor christie is like the president in three years it's i think in large part going to owe to the fact that they've done no damage there. >> yesterday governor christie spoke about how this election
will stand out from others. >> you watch what's going to to happen tomorrow. i absolutely believe that what you're going to see tomorrow is something that hasn't happened in this state in a generation. i had all kinds of folks whispering in my ear today, "i'm a democrat. don't tell anybody. i'm voting for you." >> all right. yesterday christie also down played a confrontation he had with a public schoolteacher saying her side of the exchange was, grote, grossly inaccurate. the teacher reportedly approached the governor asking why he believes new jersey public schools are failure factories. she says christie cut her off say, by her account, "what do you want? i'm tired of you people." cristy denies it happened like that. he says, "what i said was it's never enough for you people, no matter how much money i give. it's never enough for you people." >> yon meacham, we'll show you this picture of chris christie.
it's not quite ronald reagan standing in front of the statue of liberty. t.j., if you could put it up. i was referencing the picture you just -- >> there you go. >> not exactly ronald reagan in front of the statue of liberty labor day weekend. close. but that's just chris christie. the question everybody's going to be asking tomorrow morning is whether this style of new jersey translates to iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and florida. >> it's a little more jersey shore than knute rockne, that's true. and you're right, the two stories the rest of the week are going to be on the republican side, are can a venter right republican like christie survive the primaries in '16 and take the party back from -- or control the further right. and the other story i think is going to be the clintons -- i think the virginia victory is going to be seen as a victory for the clinton wing of the
party because of mcauliffe's longtime association. you were showing the images there. so i think the story's going to be -- and the irony for obama is he's the guy who passes health care, the clintons don't, but the clintons seem to be the political winners. >> interesting. very interesting. >> really does. >> one more race to get to. >> this is a big one. >> this is a big one. it's been viewed as a battle, but it will shift the future direction of the republican party. today's special election runoff in alabama's first congressional district. former state senator bradley byrne on the left is squaring off against dean young, a tea party-backed businessman. many republicans and business groups have blamed the tea party for causing the recent government shutdown and are backing byrne. that includes the chamber of commerce which spent nearly $200,000 on the race. for his part, young has praised the tea party, making it clear how he intends to legislate. at a debate last month, he said, "if you guys send me to congress, it will be like
sending ted cruz to washington." >> also his question, bradley byrne's faith and says he really doesn't believe the bible the way you should believe the bible. john meacham, this is an extraordinary race, and extraordinary because how quickly conservative business people have weighed in. rickets, who of course is a huge contributor to the republican party and very, very conservative guy, he plays a small role in double down. he has piled over $100,000 into bradley byrne's campaign because he wants a rock-solid conservative but a guy who is not -- he doesn't want what -- i thought national review had a perfect term, apock limitic conservative. he doesn't want an apocalyptic conservative. he wants a conservative that can actually pass legislation. >> right.
you know, one of the things that's interest interesting here i think historically is the goldwater movement was driven by small-town businessmen who resented the new deal, who resented the interference in the marketplace, the labor laws, and now interestingly, a couple jep rations later really the chambers of commerce and the rotary clubs of the country are the republican establishment. >> right. >> so the insurgents who were fighting against eisenhower and were really the goldwater guys and became the reagan stalwarts, are as uncomfortable with the right as they were with the left. coming up on "morning joe," we'll check in with politico's mike allen. plus developing details from last night's mall shooting in new jersey. police say the gunman is dead and everyone else escaped unharmed. what police are learni ining ab the suspect this morning. also, blackberry cannot seem to get it together. the stock plunges another 16%
yesterday. >> willie, maybe we should just take it over. >> i think it's too late. if it could get the website to load in under five minutes then i'd be back on board. >> they just can't do it. >> but first, bill karins has a check on the forecast. bill? good morning to you, guys. in the midwest, that's our travel concern. it is pouring in st. louis right now. notice the leaves are changing. it looks really pretty, some of the oak leaves, but this is the type of weather that will bring the leaves down. and in the north, snow for our friends in minneapolis. but here's how it's looking this morning. notice the green and the rain pretty much covering up the state of missouri here. eventually that's heading for chicago. flying out of kansas city, st. louis, chicago today, expect air travels today. not thunderstorms but still some delays. the snow on the side of this storm is a narrow band but rapid city, sioux fall, central nebraska, minneapolis, as much as 3 to 4 inches this time tomorrow morning. most will accumulate after dark tonight. a big shot of the rain. how much will we get?
houston and dallas could pick up half an inch to an inch of rain. eventually indianapolis and cleveland later on tonight into tomorrow morning. this system will slowly slide to the east in the next couple days. a cool, chilly start in new england but at least you'll have some sunshine there. as we leave you with a nice shot of washington, d.c., i got 60s in your forecast the middle of this week. the cold snap very short lived. you're watching "morning joe." mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971. afghanistan in 2009. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa.
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morning papers. the "star-ledger." police have found the body of a gunman they believe walked into a new jersey mall firing shots at gunmen. the shots d didn't hit anyone even though the mall was crowded. it happened at the westfield garden state plaza mall. shots were reported around 9:20 last night right as the mall was about to close. as police approached the gunman, identified as richard shoop, he fled deeper into the mall instead of engaging with the armed officers. it was there where he took his own life. "the washington post," a bill to ban discrimination against members of the lgbt communities will advance to a full bill in the? senate. the senate note voted to advance the employment nondiscrimination act or enda passed monday night with the support of seven republicans. "san francisco chronicle," twitter increased the price of its ipo by 25% as anticipation continues to grow ahead of its initial stock offering on
thursday. shares will now sell between $23 and $25. this sets twitter's valuation at more than $13 billion. and "l.a. times," blackberry stocks are going to open today at $7 a share after plunging yesterday. the drop followed thues that the ceo is out and the plans for a sale fell through. at one point, shares fell as much as 16%. "new york times," data collected from nasa's keppler telescope suggests there could be as many as 40 billion earth-sized planets in our galaxy. these planets are believed to have surface temperatures which are acceptable for the development of life. the data also shows the nearest planet may be 12 light-years or 72 trillion miles away. >> stuff like that makes my head hurt. the "new york daily news" over the weekend, nine skydivers went out for a little fun in wisconsin, but the two planes they were in collided midflight. miraculously, everybody survived. nbc's anne thompson has the
exclusive video. >> reporter: the last jump of the day for nine skydivers and two pilots nearly became the last flight of their lives. two planes and people out of control over superior, wisconsin, saturday evening. one plane breaking up in fiery debris. what looks to be certain disaster miraculously was not. watch it again from a different angle and you can see what happens. in this video licensed by nbc news, you see the divers in the second plane get out on the step preparing to jump. that plane appears to fly right on top of the first plane. there's a fireball, and now divers from both planes instead of flying in a planned formation find themselves in a terrifying plummet. not only are they falling from 12,000 feet at 125 miles per hour, so are the burning parts of the first plane. all the divers open their chutes and land safely. the pilot of the first plane gets out alive, too, using his
emergency parachute. and then there's this. >> come on. you got it. come on. >> reporter: blake wheaton lands the second plane at the airport, even though there's damage to the propeller and the wing. the jumpers and the pilots, all veterans of the sky, know how close they came. >> very lucky. very, very lucky. anytime two planes collide in the air, i mean, it's potential disaster for everybody involved. so we were all very, very lucky here. >> reporter: after pursuing thrills in the air, tonight for these 11 lucky people, the greatest thrill is just being alive. >> okay. so those 11. >> yeah. >> if i were one of those spouses they would never see the light of day in the air again. ever. ever. ever go flying again. are you kidding me. >> i can't believe the pilot of the second plane underneath that was in flames got out in time. >> incredible. >> emergency chute. unbelievable. >> let's go to politico.
>> i want to just fly in the planes that have, like, the parachutes themselves that -- >> yeah. >> i want those. >> they should be on every plane. >> every plane. 747. >> anything happens -- >> idiotic waste of time. leapt's go to politico. >> focus. >> so much to get to. >> mike allen is here. he's the chief white house correspondent of politico and the world-famous playbook each and every morning. good to see you. >> morninging, guys. >> lot of time in new york lately. >> doubledown day, you got to be here. >> let's talk affordable care act. officials warning insurance shoppers to expect even more outages over the next month while they attempt to fix the issues plaguing healthcare.gov. yesterday the website was down for approximately 90 minutes. today "the wall street journal" reports early buyers of insurance through obama care are trending older than expected, which could drive up costs for everybody. they need those young, healthy customers. last night, president obama defended his health care law and the controversy surrounding the
number of canceled policies related to obama care. >> people are acting like this is some new phenomenon. every year there was churning this individual market, the average increase was double digits on premiums in this same market. now, if you have or had one of these plans before the affordable care act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you could keep it if it hasn't changed since the law's passed. so the rhetoric of reform is becoming the reality of reform. and we're not going back. so just remember this. i have run my last political campaign. but i'll tell you what, i've got one more campaign in me. the campaign to make sure that this law works for every single person in america. >> mika's fired up. >> yes! >> fired up. >> ready to go. >> drive that -- >> stop it. >> -- bus straight over the
cliff. go ahead, mr. president. >> new white house memos acquired by abc news show the problems with the exchanges go beyond the website. the documents say applying for coverage by paper or phone is no better than doing so online because they're all approved through the same process. yesterday press secretary jay conce carney was asked about that. >> you can bypass the website and apply in phone or in person and it can be done in 25 minutes. these memos say at the end of the day we are all stuck in the same queue because we are all stuck in the same portal. >> john, i get it. but the person who calls isn't the one who continues to wait after the paper application is filled. >> your mocking is entertaining, but the president said you can apply in under 25 minutes. that's not true. >> let's sift through that. mike allen, what did we just hear? >> not just contentious, what you get every day in the briefing room. what you don't get is jay carney mocking john carl, imitating his tone, saying i get it.
>> why would he do that? >> there's a great frustration. the abc news memos show the problem not only exists if you apply by paper or phone but the administration well knew that before the president came out and said these alternative way are fine. so the congressional committees are having a field day with these notes. they actually say war room notes at the top, sort of a reporter's dream, turned over to congress, make their way to reporters. "the wall street journal" story you cited at the top is a real canary in the coal mine because the whole plan depends on getting young people like louis bergdorf into -- >> that ain't happening. >> -- into the plan and the white house, of course, says people like lou ris are still on their couch, will procrastinate and come in at the end, but insurers looking at the numbers are already worrying saying it's already out of whack. >> if there were a plan that wold come with a lot of hair gel and mirrors -- >> no deductible on the hair gel. >> products. >> julie, you were at the
briefing yesterday. talk about how contentious it became and jay carney actually mocking a very well respected reporter. >> absolutely. this is something we say a lot during political campaigns and the same applies to the white house. anytime you're turning your attention toward going after reporters and going after the press, i think that's a sign that you're in trouble. that's usually the last resort. and going back to what obama said at this ofa conference last night, you know, when he said we've said all along that you could keep your plan unless it changed, well, that may be what's written in the law, that may be eventually what becomes good policy, but that's not what they said. that's not what the president said over the past three years. and words matter, especially on something like this that has been so unpopular with so many members of the public. it seems as though they tried to frame it in a way that was going to be more appealing but may not have been true. >> words do matter and the president, i couldn't help but notice, president last night said we said you could keep your insurance if your plans didn't
change. of course he didn't say "we killed osama bin laden," we did this. suddenly, he's spreading out the blame, and he's saying something that's simply not true. take a look at this, john. this is actually "new york" magazine. the conservative website. put this together. let's just judge whether the president said this. >> -- bears repeating. you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it. if you like the plan you have, you can keep it. if you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. you keep your plan. if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. if you've got health insurance, you can keep it. if you like your health care plan, you will keep your plan. if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. if you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. if you like your doctor or
health care plan, you can keep it. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your health care plan, you can chemoyour health care plan. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep it. if you want to keep the health insurance you've got, you can keep it. if you like the insurance plan you have now, you can keep it. and if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it. so if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your plan, keep your plan. if you like your current insurance, you will keep your current insurance. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you're happy with what you've got, nobody's changing it. >> so, john meacham, i'm just a dumb country lawyer and not really good with words, but it
doesn't sound -- i agree with julie. it doesn't sound like the president's claim last night was true. >> one of the things that's interesting about the first clip you played from last night is the president had a tone of frustration, a tone of, well, you can keep your plan, but of course there's always churn in these markets as if we weren't quite bright enough to get that. and i think that that's part of the issue of this presidency and i think we'll be talking act it for years to come about his ability to, a, communicate simply and now accurately, but, b, to really understand that we're all not quite as slow perhaps as he thinks we are. >> as dumb as -- and by the way, on a lot of those clips, if you expand them out that we just played, he's really exasperated with republicans there, too. they just don't get it. they're not telling you the truth. they're idiots. if you like your plan, you can
keep your plan. so now he's doing it the other way, too, where we are all just the dumbest people on the planet. and why don't we get it and why aren't we as elevated as he is above the fray when, in fact, he just didn't tell americans the truth for three years. >> mike, quick. >> and, joe, if you think that reel never gets old, another leading indicator we had this morning, the first khmer thashl uses that clip in kentucky, republican superpac, is up, spending $340,000 at this stage is a lot. they start with the clip of the president saying if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. it's an ad attacking the democrat, allison grimes, link herg to this. >> we're going to need to talk more about this. we need to talk to john meacham. and i'll tell you why. because you know what, when you're in trouble, when your plane is going down, you get the chute and you jump out. i'm telling you, there are ways to handle this crisis. they're not handling it the right way. telling people that they're stupid and they didn't understand what they were
saying, having your press secretary going out, mocking one of the most respected people in the white house press corps, you know, maybe actually doing the george washington retreat on long island in the summer of 1776, maybe this president needs -- maybe they need a six-month cooling-off period. figure out how to actually make the website work, and stop this. because this is only going to get worse for them. they're digging deeper every day. >> and, joe, you're starting to hear that from democrats. right now it's democrats running in red states but you're going to start to hear it from more and more democrats. six months, even a year, looking for some breathing room, saying in the end it will be a fiver the white house. >> political coe-- politico's m allen, thanks. next, former top adviser to president george w. bush, andy card, weighs in on the future of the republican party. so i c
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he'd eat 40 for breakfast, 40 for lunch, 40 for dinner. 100 nuggets a day and he won three gold medals. at the new york city marathon, i don't know how many mcnuk ets were consumed there, but if any were, they went into the mouth of the runner you're about to eat. >> people from all over the world on this staten island ferry taking a particular step. hi, there. >> seventh new york marathon, tenth overall, and i'm running it so my friend's mom can get medical marijuana in florida. >> all right. well. >> very good. here with us now from college station, texas, former white house chief of staff to president george w. bush andy card joining the conversation. >> what's going on in college station, andy? >> i tell you, aggieland is a great place to be. johnny football has all kinds of excitement going. so i'm proud to be in college station, texas, texas a&m university.
>> okay. >> very nice. >> you didn't answer anymy question. >> no, we didn't. >> so anyway, go sox. i saw your brother the other night. way to go red sox. >> yes. yep. >> we have a lot to talk about, the republican party. i know you're not going to speak for president bush, but we heard president bush privately concerned about the rise of some of the more extreme elements in the tea party and certainly a lot of republicans are. what are you seeing this campaign day? what are you looking for to see the direction of the republican party moving forward? >> well, first of all, i think this election day is going to be more news and how people don't like president obama. he really is kind of irrelevant in this process except for being a negative burden to candidates who are not willing to carry. i think he's going to be the big loser on this election day. but i also feel that we still have the stridency in the republican party and we'll have the divisiveness of the testing of the tea party role and the
moderate role, and i'm not sure there's going to be a clear resolution. i think chris christie is going to have a big victory and he'll try to ride a wave. i'm not sure that the wave is going to be sustained far long period of time. so i think we're still early on in the process. i don't think any candidate, a favorite for two years from now, is going to emerge. i think the testing is still there. i'm hearing this is like the election of the 1980s cycle when we saw a lot of candidates vying for the republican nomination knowing they were going to succeed a weak president. >> and michael gerson, a guy you know, writes about the the gop's new reality. i'm just going to read a couple quick lines from it. he starts out by saying following the recent tea party tete offensive, tea party candidates often lose winnable races. he goes on to talk about how ted cruz, despite the fact the party's numbers have collapsed,
says democrats are feeling the heat. and then he says it's one thing to engage in pickets charge, it's another to describe it as a victory. don't most republicans that you talk to, don't most republicans realize that we did a really stupid thing as a party over the past several months and we need to move away from even what the national review is calling apocalyptic conservativism? >> no. i agree with that description. i think, first of all, we want our government to work. we want it to work better, but we don't want it to stop working. and we need good governance in washington, d.c. we don't just need obstructionists. i think we need people who are there to help solve problems and get them done. i've said far long time, i like the passion that comes to washington from the people who are kind of -- bring a view of perfection and argue for it and stand up and fight for it, but at the end of the day i want people to have the courage to work for perfectly good. i want the government to find solutions to the problems.
and i almost like the process of, you know, lock the doors and let's come to an agreement and try to find a solution rather than just get stuck only problems that i'm looking for a solution. >> right. >> and, you know, we've heard this so much now, though, from, you know, republican elite like you, and it's easy to stay. but what happens when you get a candidate like chris christie or a candidate who has been effective at reaching out to the other side? does the same old same old happen again when push comes to shove and the republican presidential race begins? i mean, how do you sort of get beyond what sounds great in terms of what you're saying to actually winning? >> well, that's the test of the primary and the caucus process that's coming up. i think it takes real strong leadership within the party. now, this is subsets of the party to see who can motivate people to show up at the polls or at caucus meetings over the
course of the next two years. and, you know, i remember the election of 1980. there were almost 19 candidates in the early stages that were running for president and ronald reagan might have been the front-runner but he wasn't the favorite. and there was an awful lot of sifting and that sifting produced a very good candidate, ronald reagan, for president. and it also resulted in george h.w. bush being selected as vice president. and that was seen as something that was really uniting for the party. i think we can do the same thing again, but it's early in the process. there's going to be a lot of people out there testing the waters if you will and finding what the traction is. we'll let the process work. we had problems earlier. >> andy, we've had a couple more quick questions. mark halpern. >> andy, take off your partisan hat for just a minute and put on your former chief of staff hat. what should dennis mcdonough say to the president and tell him the truth about what should be
done to resolve the problems on health care? >> first of all, i fault not only the president but i fault the people around the president for allowing him to mislead the american people for so long. his categorical statements were made not as a candidate but as a president of the united states. and words do matter at the white house. and it's usually somebody in the white house that goes to the president and said, mr. president, you said that but it's not entirely true. you've got to put a caveat around it. so i think there were a lot of people that knew what the president was saying, knew it wasn't accurate, but nobody was correcting it. so i think there should be a little mea culpa at the white house not just from the president but from all the people around the president because he has real problems. >> exactly. >> the other thing is i think they've got to be candid with the american people. president obama has lost the confidence of telling the truth to the american people. and he's done the same thing around the world. so i do think worlds matter when they come out of the president's mouth, and people at the white house understand that and should be helping to make sure his worlds with taken for what they are, the truth. >> we've got rapid-fire here. john heilman.
>> i'm going to ask you to put your political hat back on and mika mentioned chris christie. if christie wins big in new jersey as we expect him to tonight, the talk about christie for 2016 is going to heat up. of the two possible liabilities that he has, one ideological and two temperament, which do you think is the bigger problem for him as he goes forward and tries to seek a republican nomination in 2016? >> well, temperament is something that can get you in trouble. if you don't have -- if you don't taste your words before you spit them out, sometimes what you spit out doesn't taste good to the people that are receiving it. temperament would be something i would work on if i were chris christie and i would try to be reflective and really think about what you say before you say it and decide how the words you say will be interpreted. >> all right. andy card, thank you so much. >> we've got brian shactman coming up. >> "business before the bell."
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